All Christian Organizations in India is much disturbed with the Ghar Wapsi programme as the Vatican and Joshua Project has spent in between 10,000 to 20,000 crores every year under the 10 year rule of Pizza Mummy.
In my life from teenage till now, i have seen these Missionaries in all sizes, from young to old, all have a purpose IF YOU ARE A HINDU, for them YOU ARE A PROJECT...
Below is an article from Mr Uday Pai, this conversation with a Christian Missionary is fairly showing the way a Christian Missionary who is well ill informed about Hinduism is much disturbed with the Ghar Wapasi (to reconvert Hindus converted to Christianity).
THE IMMORAL HINDUISM AND MORALLY STRICT SEMITIC RELIGIONS
Last week a pastor from a Christian sect invited me to participate in a group discussion related to 'Ghar Wapsi' (meaning "Home Coming", a series of re-conversion exercises organized by Indian Hindu organizations)
He said, "My cousin in USA has forwarded me your article "Am I a Hindu?" (http://udaypai.in/?p=7) that explains the liberal and secular values of Hinduism. I am impressed, that's why I wanted you to come and share your opinion in our meeting..."
"Thank you. But I am sorry, my karma is writing. I neither go for speech nor participate in any organized movements..." I explained my inability.
"Hmmm...People like you should come in the front and protect minority religions..."he said.
"What for? How's it going to benefit me, my country, my world or the human race?"
"You know our religion profess morality and love...Our brother religion Islam talks about peace...So we have high moral ground than Hinduism which doesn't have any code of morality or commandments."
"Yes pastor...Your religions TALK about high morality, whereas Sanatan Dharma doesn't have such rules and regulations..."
He beamed. He may have expected me to defend my religion the way they do.
"Hinduism teaches an immoral story like a female having multiple husbands a male having thousands of wives...it doesn’t preach any morality at all...."
"Your views appear right. I am the robbery in the robber, says Krishna in Bhagavat Gita. Lord Shiv says in Yajurveda-Taitreeya samhita that he is 'Stenanam pathy' (Leader of the thieves) and ‘thaskaranam pathy' (leader of the highway robbers)..."I said.
He couldn't conceal his excitement. "This is it...this is it...Uday, we need people like you who can bring out such immoral views of Hinduism...You should join us to fight against these fundamentalist Hindus..."
"Pastor, but there is a small problem..."
"Any problem can be solved..."
"I don't think so...I am an ardent devotee of Hindu gods - including Krishna and Shiva..."
"Shame on you...but relax...I can help you coming out of this nonsense devotion" he said.
"But, tell me pastor, the religions founded upon high moral teaching had murdered/massacred millions of people all around the world (including India) who refused to get converted...Can you quote any single incident that a 'no-moral' Hindu killing even a single person for the sake of converting?"
"There are criminals in all religions...”
"True - but when somebody kills in the NAME of religion, when terrorists are vouching by Holy books, when they claim killing is done for the religion and to get heaven as promised in their Holy books - it is a clear warning: There is (ARE) sickening fundamental flaws in professing such morality...."
"That's not true. We teach everybody to love and spread peace with high standards of morality..."
"Then what about the teachers themselves? Just check your own official records - In USA alone Roman Catholic Church paid billions of US dollars to settle child sexual abuse by priests. The proponents of "strict moral standards" - lot of Catholic dioceses have declared bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases. It’s in USA alone.....And you are teaching me about morality..."
He didn't have answers.
I smiled at him: "But your views are correct. As you said Hinduism doesn’t have moral codes. Still Hindus are more tolerant and peaceful. They have broader universal views and can contain all. Do you know why?"
"Why?"
"Our religion teaches only about Dharma which is different from morality...Morality is a superficial and a relative concept written for ignorant communities (like shepherds, desert dwellers etc.) during the time of writing these Holy books."
"I really don't understand what you mean by Dharma...."he sounded confused.
"If I call you a liar, you will get angry. You feel hurt and you may even slap at me, right?”
"Yes - of course anybody would get angry. Because I am not a liar" the pastor said.
"If you are not a liar, then, why should it disturb you? Why should it hurt you?”
"Hmmm..."
"And if it is true, that is, if you are a liar, then I have just made a statement of fact...why should it disturb you? Why should it hurt you then?"
"That's human nature, Uday"
"No, pastor. In that case, I would have got angry when you talked ill about my religion, the way you people get hurt. No...That’s not the case. When you are being called a liar, you are hurt, because, there is something within you that create disturbance and it is not from outside"
He gave me a blank look. I continued: "Why are you disturbed? Think. Go deeper. You may find out deep within, you have a tendency to lie. But ever since you are born, everybody around you said: 'you should not lie'. That's immoral. So you want to be good, you want to hear others saying: 'good boy'. You want to be in "good book" of others. You are scared that lying is immoral sin and will be punished by God. So you push off the fact that you are liar. You have suppressed your tendency to lie in your subconscious mind. So, when somebody calls you feel like you being found out. You are being unraveled. You are being uncovered. You are naked in the public...You don't want to show others that you are liar. You feel emotionally insecure..."
"That's psychology...."
"Your morality codes never address such basic nature. You just create guilt and fear in people telling then irrational stories on morality and punishments. Thus, you create emotional insecurity among followers. So that you can encash later in the name of salvation..." I told him: "But my ancestors, founders of Sanatan Dharma said: If you are a liar, go ahead and lie'. That's the basic difference between your Semitic religion and our Sanatan Dharma."
Morality is NOT Dharma
If your innate nature is to lie, go ahead and lie. But you should do it without guilt or regret. If your innate nature is to rob, go ahead and rob. But, it should be for the sake of robbing, not for the greed of money. That's what we call dedicated Karma. There was a highway robber named Ratnaakara who had been looting people passing through his jungle. He was doing it as his Dharma as he was not conditioned with your kind of concepts on morality. He was so passionate and devoted to his Karma that he became Valmiki who wrote the most beautiful epic in the world - Ramayana. A robber can turn into great sage - that's the beauty of our religion. There was a righteous butcher, who did his dharma properly. He wrote Vyadha Gita which taught philosophy to Brahmins!
"We also have saints..."
"I know you promote saints and build Churches in their names to create wealth. You can't compare our sages who prayed for the well-being entire universe (Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavathu) with so-called saints who marketed only your religion" I told him.
His face turned red.
"And the stories you quote about morality are from puranas (stories of ancient times), not from any of our authentic Sanskrit scriptures... We have thousands of Vedic scriptures that form basic foundation of our dharma. Puranas are stories. But what about your ONLY authentic scripture, the Holy book - if I can start quoting from the Holy book itself, can you stand it?"
"What?"
"To begin with pastor, take Genesis - The first creations of your god - Adam and Eve had only three sons (Cain, Abel, and Seth), but no daughters: how did the world get populated? There was no other female in the earth. The only woman was Eve, their mother. So how come their next generations produced? Isn’t it immoral?"
Pastor didn't have answers. (There are many such instance where you can trap them else they themselves get trapped TEEE HEEEE....)
"Recently, your Pope Francis declared that the Genesis account of creation is NOT true. It shake the foundation in which your religion in built. This is an era of knowledge. Tomorrow Pope will be forced to say that the Holy Book is filled with such irrational stories. But I know there are few good things in your Holy book and I respect it for that....But you are teaching and spreading lies. For instance, you are claiming that St. Thomas came to India and built Churches for him- but Pope says Thomas had never come to India."
He didn't say anything. I told him: "Please try to see the larger teaching of Jesus Christ...'Love thy neighbor'. That advice shows he is divine. Aren't Hindus your neighbors? Didn't they provide you shelter and land to build church? You are doing injustice to India. Why can't your moral preachers set right your own world - Rome, a country ill-famed for extreme sexual perversions and immoral night lives of vulgarity?"
"There are good things and bad things in every religion..."
"That exactly is my point. If you agree that, how can you claim your religion is superior?" I asked him. "And there is one more reason for us Hindus not to follow any moral codes or commandments in your Holy books."
"What's it?"
"Christians are taught that they are originally sinners and only through moral codes and through Jesus Christ one can attain salvation, right?"
"Yes"
"But we are being taught everything in this world is pure as everything is divine (Ishaavaasyam idam sarvam). So Hindus are not sinners, they are divine. We are being told just to do our good karma in a non-violent way."
"You are wrong..."he murmured.
"I am a practicing Hindu - it is not by compulsion, but choice. Nobody promised me heaven to be a Hindu. I always have a choice to leave - nobody will prevent me. I have the freedom to think without any conditioning. This choice and freedom make me a Hindu. You never had such choice - you are bound by your religion with lot of a strings attached to it which you can’t break - that’s the difference between you and me. "
We learn morality from our parents, not from the religion. Morality is an individual pride, not something to be imbibed through a fear of god. Morality should come from inherent strength and courage. And not from fear and weakness - that's what Sanatan Dharma teaches us. (http://udaypai.in/)
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OK... here goes a Christin Missionary (CM) Joke:
CM: The world is 12000 years old son.The Man: I don't get it can you explain... OK Dinosaur Fossils! who put it there.CM thinks then say: God put it there to test my FAITH.The Man: Oh Yeah, God Put You Here to Test My Faith.
In ten years of pizza mummy's rule and under her blessing, the Christian organization was given all powers to go deep in to the remote areas of India and convert the poor people and it is here that the whole o the north east, South of India is having a major Christian population. The population index has changed a lot in the past 15 years and with huge financial backing from abroad and foreign Funded NGO's with corrupt media all hand in gloves have killed the Social Fabric of our nation.
These missionaries are a bunch of people from middle class family who is a virtual "Good For Nothing". His upbringing has been in a family who has seen extreme poverty and was rescued by the the Church and then are guided into Christian ideology and this is where they learn about the History of Christianity.
Their ultimate aim in their life is to convert as many Hindus as possible into Christianity, some brain washed and hardcore missionaries believe the more Hindus they convert they will bag a place for sure in heaven, for this some missionaries convert Hindus with dedication and some with greed for there is Commission involved in conversion tactics.
In some churches its mandatory to attend Sunday mass, for if they don't they will be fined, and there is some who will pay people for attending Sunday mass. Mass Brainwash is the only agenda of such Sunday mass after the prayer, after which they all sit with and intention and plan as to how to convert and increase the size of population in their community.
The Two Christian Sect notorious in conversion programme are the Roman Catholic funded directly from Vatican and the Pentecostal protestant Christians both are extremely rich and powerful and are even at competition as to who will convert the most in a Conversion Year.
These Missionaries know well that many remote areas of India have people who are hungry for many days and do not even have the basic necessity of Food, Clothing and Shelter. Moreover they know very well that Hindus are tolerant people unlike Muslims who will behead these missionaries if they start to convert Muslims to Christianity which is why they say that Muslim is their half brother,
HAD MUSLIMS BEEN AS TOLERANT AS HINDUS THEY WOULD CONVERT EVERY MUSLIMS TO CHRISTIANITY SAYING THEY ARE OUR BROTHERS.
Well yeah it requires gaand mein tutti to convert Muslims but with Hindus, it's like cutting butter with a hot knife which is why many districts in India have a Christian major population.
As soon as the NDA came to power kicking Pizza Mummy in all places which was her strong hold, the Ghar Wapasi i.e to reconvert Hindus back from Christianity, this programme is in its initial stage and this is making all Christain organizations across the nations very jittery, as this move will hamper all their hard work they did for 10 years moreover they are also accountable to their foreign masters abroad who funded them for conversion tactics.
Ghar Wapsi will certainly upset Vatican and Joshua project in a big way cause Christianity in Europe is equivalent to NIL, and to preserve Christianity India is the only place they see where they can easily get souls to harvest.
Recently there was a Church attack in Delhi and this is where one must know what is perception?
- WHY WERE CHURCHES VANDALISED IN DELHI ?
- WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT DELHI ? WHY NOT MUMBAI OR CALCUTTA ?
- WERE THERE ANY ELECTIONS IN MUMBAI OR CALCUTTA ?
- WHEN THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY GETS ANGRY OVER THE ATTACKS , WHO IS THEIR FIRST SUSPECT ?
- WHICH POLITICAL PARTY GETS THE ADVANTAGE IN DELHI POLLS BY ENMASSE CHRISTIAN RELIGION BASED VOTING ? (Certainly its AAP)
- WHY WERE BENAMI TV CHANNELS ENDLESSLY SHOWING CERTAIN CHRISTIAN LEADERS EQUATE GHAR WAPSI WITH THESE ATTACKS ?
- IS THERE ANYTHING MORE RIDICULOUS THAN THIS INSINUATION?
- THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO MAKE MODI STOP THE GHAR WAPSI
- THE WHOLE IDEA TO TO FOOL THE GOVT INTO THINKING CHRISTIANS IN THE COUNTRY ARE TERRIFIED OF GHAR WAPSI.
- SEE, CHRISTIANS ARE BEING ARM TWISTED INTO RE-CONVERTING BACK TO HINDUISM.
- ALMOST EVERY SUCH ANONYMOUS ATTACKS ON PLACES OF WORSHIP ARE FALSE FLAG ATTACKS.
- SIX CONSECUTIVE ATTACKS - WHICH IS NOW BEING BANDIED ABOUT BY THE BENAMI INDIAN MEDIA AND THE FOREIGN MEDIA , AS CHRISTIANS BEING TERRORIZED -- IS TO BRING PRESSURE ON THE BJP GOVT.
- EVEN US PRESIDENT OBAMA IS GIVING LECTURE TO INDIA ABOUT HOW UPSET GANDHI WOULD HAVE BEEN IF HE WAS ALIVE.
- HOW SLIMY THESE CHRISTIAN LEADERS ARE WHEN THEY EQUATE GHAR WAPSI WITH CHURCHES BEING VANDALIZED ?
- WHY WERE FOREIGN FUNDED CHRISTIAN NGOs IN THE LEAD OF THE PROTESTERS ?
- ANOTHER CHRISTIAN LEADER SAID ON TV, THAT INDIANS CHRISTIANS ARE BEING PERSECUTED UNDER MODIs RULE.
- ANY CHRISTIAN LEADER MAKING SUCH GRAVE UNWARRANTED , UNSUBSTANTIATED COMMENTS - MUST BE DEALT WITH UNDER INDIAN LAWS.
In the news hour show during the may 2014 elections we had seen an arrogant bully by the name of Mr Derek O Brain an ex quiz master turned politician from the Trinamool Congress saying "I am a Christian first before an Indian" why on earth is he saying that, is he being targeted by any Hindu organization, why are these Christians getting so vulnerable, i have seen a couple of debates in which this arrogant man has participated and all the time i have seen him indirectly bashing Hindu beliefs and Hindu Organization lest i can say to this man is F@CK OFF.
And when it comes to a Rabid Hindu Hater then there is none better than a DALIT CHRISTIAN called John Dayal, i have mentioned abut this man in some of my earlier post, he has a Facebook account and you shall see all his post is about Anti Hindu, Communal Hindu, Violent Hindu, Fascist Hindu, Barbarian Hindu, Ugly Hindu. For this pathetic man any thing that is UGLY is HINDU.... Go to the friends section in his account almost ALL are the so called Secularist nay Desh Dorhi Human Rights Activists, Hindu Haters and some foolish people who thinks he is an intellectual. Nevertheless this Dalit of a Christian blocked me from his Facebook account.
Here is a letter from Francois Gautier to John Dayal, Francois a Roman Catholic from France and now a Hindu Sympathizer, knows the rot and knows well to what extent these slimy mean minded Christian Organization are taking advantage of the Press and twisting the fact to their advantage. He knows well and more than us about the atrocities conducted by Christian Organisations to the Hindu Community.
Dear John Dayal,
A few years back, you wrote a letter to Jenab Mohammad Hamid Ansari, then Chairman, National Commission for Minorities, where you complained of harassment of nuns and Christian workers at bus stops and rail stations in Tirupati government-owned areas and objecting to a request to have the Constitutionality of the Seven Tirumala Hills being made out of bounds to Christians.
Do you really think that for instance the Government of France would allow Hindu proselytisers in Lourdes, one of the most sacred places for Christians?Never.
The French Government even has a branch of the Home Ministry looking into what they call ‘sects’. Amrita Anandamayi of Kerala is on that list.
Although she has not committed any crimes except embracing people and although her followers are doing remarkable social work, as good as any Christian organisation in India, she is being harassed in France, the accounts of her group are being scrutinised, she faces difficulties in buying land and she has to keep a low profile.
Tirupati is one of the most sacred places for Hindus.
Why should nuns and missionaries go there to convert innocent Hindus? It’s an affront to the majority community of this country who have always respected the Christian faith.
Remember that the first Christian community of the world is the Syrian Christian in Kerala?
Do Christians in India realize how much freedom they have here?
Any preacher from abroad can come to India, rent huge grounds, organise prayer meetings, advertise in the national press, get media coverage…. Just try to do this in Saudi Arabia, or even China and see what will happen to your preachers!
Then you go on complaining of a “sustained hate campaign by the religious fanatics” of the so-called Sangh Parivar in Andhra Pradesh.
But you must be knowing that thanks to Chief Minister Rajshekhar Reddy, who died in a helicopter accident, nearly 20% of Andhra Pradesh has converted to Christianity.
His son Jagan Reddy is very much a Christian too – he has even erected a cross over his massive new house in Hyderabad. Yet his name sounds Hindu. Do Christians in high places need Hindu names to fool the gullible masses of Hindus?
Come on, Mr John Dayal, you are the one who is waging a systematic campaign of hate against Hindus.
As a born Christian, I can see how Christianity is evolving slowly in the West, where it is becoming more and more accepted in the masses that there are other religions, such as Buddhism or Hinduism which have their own values.
Yet in India, Christianity is becoming more and more rigid, more and more of a proselytizing spirit, like it was fifty years ago in the West.
Christians in India represent only 2.5% of the population, yet they make so much noise, they occupy so much space in education, health care, journalism [and politics] that you would think that they constitute the majority of this country.
Again recently, you have targeted Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, respected not only by millions of Hindus, but also by many Christians in western countries and even by Muslims (he was received warmly last month in Pakistan).
By doing this, you are showing that you are practicing a Christianity that is obsolete, aggressive and maybe even dangerous.
It is time Christianity in India becomes a little more humble and quieter.
Nobody is contesting your faith, but please leave alone ancient places of worship like Tirupathi and great sages such as Sri Sri Ravi Shankar.
And remember: Sonia Gandhi may not be here forever …
Yours
Francois Gautier
( French writer , who has lived in India for 42 years )
You are Right Mr. Gautier Pizza Mummy is gone and she will never return, gone are the days of this Pizza Bhootnee.
Imagine if i a brown skin write a letter to Shriman Nay Sire John Dayal, i would be labelled as a communal Hindu by the media, but this is what a French Man Gautier has to say about how ignorant we are about Hinduism that a Frenchman has to come in front to defend our religion. This matter at Tirupati was somewhat resolved because of Gautier's efforts else liar Johnny would have inflamed this matter to a higher level.
If we look back at history it is seen that these Christian Organization had been very much vulnerable when the Right Wing Hindu Political party has taken power to govern the nation, during the Vajpayees NDA rule in 1998 they were head and tail against the government showing their might that they will not give in to a Hindu Party and portraying as they were being attacked by Hindu organizations as in the VHP, Bajrang Dal and RSS.
Since then the media has been ruthlessly portraying these Hidu Organization as Demons much to the dismay that Hindu people believed the Media and which is why attack in thee organization took flame. ITS OUR IGNORANCE THAT BECAME THERE STRENGTH.
The Christian Organization knows well and for sure that Gandhi, Nehru, Indira Gandhi and Amul Baby have lost its sheen and will not work for the young generation and if these do not work then CONGRESS will be doomed. The Congress party is the main base of Christin organization and we know well how Christian Missionaries performed their disco for 10 years under Pizza Mummy's rule, even the Naxalites (All Christians converted by Christian missionaries) came to power from toe hold to foot hold, now they hold the entire North east of India which accounts to almost 1/3 of India's land.
They know well that Danda man nay Dandi Gandhi's Ahimsa policy will not work with he youth of this nation who is awake and know the world intrigue either partially or in a better way, the youth of the nation unlike before have access to super information highway the Internet by which he is able to know and judge a Chicken by its omelet. And they know well that with the Social Media it shall be a challenge for the Main stream Media to control the masses like they did about 2 decades back.
Now with Gandhi Version 2.0 in a Old fasting goat from rural Maharashtra Anna Hazare not working as per expectation and India's First MNC party AAP biting the dust in 2014 elections, Christian Organization are looking for ways and means to get hold of power as they fell isolated after Pizza Mummy got kicked out power, they know well that the NDA rule will never allow to perform the Disco they did for 10 years and soon the NDA, got the noose on Foreign Funded NGO by blocking their Funds which also hit Christian Missionaries harder.
I would not be surprised if there is elections happening in Mumbai and a Christian Church does not get attacked, and all the blame would be put on so called Communal Hindu elements for burning their BIBLE.
If this is the case then why none of the Church in India were attacked under Pizza Mummy's rule.
Mind you that Churches are attacked only when BJP came to power WHY? If this is the case then the BJP could have attacked many churches in India when they were not in power to give nightmares to Congress? Why on earth will any Hindu organization attack a Church when a Hindu Political Party is in Power?
But these attacks never happened when Congress was in rule, please understand that this is a pre plan by Christians to attack their own church and put the blame on we Hindus, and see how the Media which is major owned by the Church, is blowing the matter beyond proportion, see in ay of the Debates how all Rabid Hindu Haters blame the RSS, VHP etc. if we take out these Organization who are they blaming: HINDUS
Please understand that the ultimate aim of these Christian Organization is to rule India like how they are Ruling Kerala, where all Hindus are beef eating alcoholics, are fooled by both Congress and Communist and now are under threat by Islamic organization, the Christians in Kerala rule every thing from Media, Schools, Colleges, Hospitals, Jewelery Rubber, Spices, Alcohol to Business and Finance and its the Ignorant Hindus from whom they are minting Money.
Every Hindu child is studying in a Christian School where he is partially brain washed by nuns or Padres in the school, Kerala is the only state in India where no respect is given to it Mother tongue, in this beef eating state if children is caught speaking in Malayalam then they have to pay a fine of 500/- rupees saying this is a English school where English must be spoken.
WOW, WHAT A RESPECT FOR FOREIGN INVADER'S LANGUAGE. BRAVO YOU BEEF EATING STATE BRAVO YOU BEEF EATING PEOPLE..
When power goes out of hands it makes every one jittery, the Ghar Wapasi mission is looked as Cancer by Missionaries the same way i look at them, and they will look at all means to stop the Ghar Wapasi programme as it will certainty fail the efforts they reaped for 10 years, for which they will device many false flag attacks like church attack and many cheap tactics to hurt Hindu sentiments and forcing the government to stop the programme.
May Maa Bharti Shower her Grace on You,
Jayan Divakaran.
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